In this episode, I sit down with Rev. Dr. Starlette Thomas to journey into the heart of Baby Suggs’ Clearing in Toni Morrison’s Beloved. The Clearing is more than a scene—it is a sanctuary of sacred refusal, a site where Black bodies reclaim their worth and where truth blooms beyond the reach of white theology. Together, we explore how Baby Suggs’ sermon of self-love, embodied liberation, and communal healing continues to instruct us on what it means to resist, to remember, and to reimagine the sacred on our own terms.